Comments for Spiritual Life http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife Lawn Griffiths on spiritual and religious issues Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:23:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on This Will “Get Your Goat” by Erin Poehlman http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/03/21/this-will-get-your-goat/comment-page-1/#comment-856 Erin Poehlman Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:23:50 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1712#comment-856 I have recently been re-reading my Bible, and I wonder if the phrase doesn't stem from a much older source. Every time the Hebrew people were required to give a sin offering--Passover, Festivals, etc.--they had to sacrifice a male goat. As I was reading, I thought about the phrase "get your goat." A sin offering was made to make atonement to God for wrongdoing for actions that might have made Him angry. "Getting your goat" is making you angry. I am no linguist, but it made me think! I have recently been re-reading my Bible, and I wonder if the phrase doesn’t stem from a much older source. Every time the Hebrew people were required to give a sin offering–Passover, Festivals, etc.–they had to sacrifice a male goat. As I was reading, I thought about the phrase “get your goat.” A sin offering was made to make atonement to God for wrongdoing for actions that might have made Him angry. “Getting your goat” is making you angry. I am no linguist, but it made me think!

]]> Comment on Another Brick in the Wall by Willy http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2012/01/09/another-brick-in-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-854 Willy Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:04:32 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=2016#comment-854 Ronnie, I loved the analogy of the broken glass. You can either toss the whole mess and lose the beauty and utility of the glass window or put it back together into something new and different like a mosaic which will be totally different and perhaps even prettier. As a congregation minister and currently a youth minister your thoughts on faith and endurance have struck me. We have all gone through these type of faith "busters", and I personally have come away with a different faith. Not necessarily a stronger or better faith but a different faith based upon my actions and experience. Ronnie,

I loved the analogy of the broken glass. You can either toss the whole mess and lose the beauty and utility of the glass window or put it back together into something new and different like a mosaic which will be totally different and perhaps even prettier.

As a congregation minister and currently a youth minister your thoughts on faith and endurance have struck me. We have all gone through these type of faith “busters”, and I personally have come away with a different faith. Not necessarily a stronger or better faith but a different faith based upon my actions and experience.

]]> Comment on Jewish women having tougher time finding, marrying Jewish men by Steve C. http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2008/04/04/jewish-women-having-tougher-time-finding-marrying-jewish-men/comment-page-1/#comment-852 Steve C. Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:54:56 +0000 http://spirituallife.freedomblogging.com/2008/04/04/jewish-women-having-tougher-time-finding-marrying-jewish-men/#comment-852 It's not only jewish women, but the majority seems to be jewish. Go to any public library in a predominately jewish area and listen carefully to the senior women (49-99) and what you hear is complaints, negative comments, cattyness, and demands like a spoiled 5 year old. They've been pampered and spoiled since daddy and mommy told them the world and everything in it belongs to them. The term Jewish American Princess fits them to a tee, i'm married to an indian woman who falls into the same category. She wants an Iphone, I get said Iphone for her and she complains it doesn't do everything she wants then blames me for not listening to her demands. Us guys can't win so imagine what it's like for those jewish guys out there...Oy Vey! It’s not only jewish women, but the majority seems to be jewish. Go to any public library in a predominately jewish area and listen carefully to the senior women (49-99) and what you hear is complaints, negative comments, cattyness, and demands like a spoiled 5 year old.

They’ve been pampered and spoiled since daddy and mommy told them the world and everything in it belongs to them.

The term Jewish American Princess fits them to a tee, i’m married to an indian woman who falls into the same category. She wants an Iphone,
I get said Iphone for her and she complains it doesn’t do everything she wants then blames me for not listening to her demands.

Us guys can’t win so imagine what it’s like for those jewish guys out there…Oy Vey!

]]> Comment on ‘The Help’ reveals a dark side of social justice by LoreleiH http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/09/06/the-help-reveals-a-dark-side-of-social-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-851 LoreleiH Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:36:46 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1896#comment-851 I haven't seen the movie, but the book has left me with an unsettled ambivalence. Much about the racist culture of the south was well-exposed, but there still seemed to be a shallowness to the main character's experience. Perhaps the righteous fury I expected from her, having seen 'both sides' of the situation, having known the reality, was dulled by the strictures of the society - her vulnerability, and the vulnerability of her subjects, to police and to social ostracism both outside and inside her own family. I suppose this serves to push the reader toward their own struggle, and that may be a good thing, but my response was that the 'push' was far too gentle... Guess it's time to see the movie. I haven’t seen the movie, but the book has left me with an unsettled ambivalence. Much about the racist culture of the south was well-exposed, but there still seemed to be a shallowness to the main character’s experience. Perhaps the righteous fury I expected from her, having seen ‘both sides’ of the situation, having known the reality, was dulled by the strictures of the society – her vulnerability, and the vulnerability of her subjects, to police and to social ostracism both outside and inside her own family. I suppose this serves to push the reader toward their own struggle, and that may be a good thing, but my response was that the ‘push’ was far too gentle… Guess it’s time to see the movie.

]]> Comment on Mesa bike preacher ‘Dizzy’ Disbrow is now wavin’ and shoutin’ on streets of heaven by Emilia Shedrick http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2010/07/06/bike-preacher-dizzy-is-wavin-and-shoutin-on-streets-of-heaven/comment-page-1/#comment-850 Emilia Shedrick Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:24:35 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1261#comment-850 Thats generally especially useful post. Thanks a lot for all your determination to provide this kind of helpful tips here. Thats generally especially useful post. Thanks a lot for all your determination to provide this kind of helpful tips here.

]]> Comment on A Lesson For Life by November 28, 2011 | 07:31 am | | PhoenixPhoenix http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/11/28/a-lesson-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-849 November 28, 2011 | 07:31 am | | PhoenixPhoenix Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:45:08 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1991#comment-849 [...] A Lesson For Life [...] [...] A Lesson For Life [...]

]]> Comment on Revisiting the LDS excommunication of Lyndon Lamborn who talked too much by Dale Whiting http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/07/04/lds-excommunication-of-lyndon-lamborn-revisited/comment-page-2/#comment-848 Dale Whiting Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:42:31 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1845#comment-848 Lyndon, I'd like to get to know you better. From the description I read, I think I know you pretty well already. You do fit the classical mold of a truth seeker. Perhaps others of us who have sailed your course but not jumped ship could have helped you. I expect I am aware of all of the inconsistencies and even cover ups you have found. I have found them, too, as have others, many others. But the saying of Joseph Smith, Jr. which I most treasure is, in effect, that absolute truth is independent of the sphere [subject] it addresses. There is not one scientific truth, one historical truth, one religious truth, one social truth, one economic truth, and certainly not one political truth. There is one and only one truth and we all ought to search for it. Where truth in one sphere appears to conflict with truth in another, one or the other or both are not truth. And to knowing the truth does make us free. I recall my great uncle pronounce that the fossels in eastern Utah were all a hoax of the devil. He could not absorb that truth. He was Joseph Fielding Smith. And having studied geology and evolution at Brigham Young University, I know Uncle Smith had more truth to absorb. Lyndon, I wish you and your family well on your continuing search for the truth. I hope you find it in rich abundance. For those of your former associates, i.e. Latter-day Saints, who have stopped searching for truth, I suspect we both have only pitty. I see you as having made one mistake. Where so many of our fellows have stopped searching for truth, exposing them to conflict is unsettling, deeply unsettling. Therefore we have to keep the conflicts we observe to ourselves, speaking softly, knowing that eventually "all things will be revealed" to everyone. Just ask William Richardson [commenter above] about how softly I speak of the conflicts I observe. Bill knows we quite well. Lyndon,

I’d like to get to know you better. From the description I read, I think I know you pretty well already. You do fit the classical mold of a truth seeker. Perhaps others of us who have sailed your course but not jumped ship could have helped you.

I expect I am aware of all of the inconsistencies and even cover ups you have found. I have found them, too, as have others, many others. But the saying of Joseph Smith, Jr. which I most treasure is, in effect, that absolute truth is independent of the sphere [subject] it addresses. There is not one scientific truth, one historical truth, one religious truth, one social truth, one economic truth, and certainly not one political truth. There is one and only one truth and we all ought to search for it. Where truth in one sphere appears to conflict with truth in another, one or the other or both are not truth. And to knowing the truth does make us free.

I recall my great uncle pronounce that the fossels in eastern Utah were all a hoax of the devil. He could not absorb that truth. He was Joseph Fielding Smith. And having studied geology and evolution at Brigham Young University, I know Uncle Smith had more truth to absorb.

Lyndon, I wish you and your family well on your continuing search for the truth. I hope you find it in rich abundance. For those of your former associates, i.e. Latter-day Saints, who have stopped searching for truth, I suspect we both have only pitty.

I see you as having made one mistake. Where so many of our fellows have stopped searching for truth, exposing them to conflict is unsettling, deeply unsettling. Therefore we have to keep the conflicts we observe to ourselves, speaking softly, knowing that eventually “all things will be revealed” to everyone. Just ask William Richardson [commenter above] about how softly I speak of the conflicts I observe. Bill knows we quite well.

]]> Comment on Goats and Gratitude by November 21, 2011 | 06:27 am | | PhoenixPhoenix http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/11/21/goats-and-gratitude/comment-page-1/#comment-847 November 21, 2011 | 06:27 am | | PhoenixPhoenix Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:47:44 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1988#comment-847 [...] Goats and Gratitude [...] [...] Goats and Gratitude [...]

]]> Comment on It’s Never Too Late To Learn by bizgal http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/10/26/its-never-too-late-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-845 bizgal Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:37:52 +0000 http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/?p=1960#comment-845 This is truly inspiring. I am in my early twenties and I always had the frustration on learning how to play the piano and with my busy days I haven't really found time for this because I still have to focus on my priorities, which is my studies and work. After seeing this video I can say that it is never too late to learn and there will be a time for everything. I promise to myself that I will learn how to play the piano someday. This is truly inspiring. I am in my early twenties and I always had the frustration on learning how to play the piano and with my busy days I haven’t really found time for this because I still have to focus on my priorities, which is my studies and work. After seeing this video I can say that it is never too late to learn and there will be a time for everything. I promise to myself that I will learn how to play the piano someday.

]]> Comment on Jewish women having tougher time finding, marrying Jewish men by Ephraim http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2008/04/04/jewish-women-having-tougher-time-finding-marrying-jewish-men/comment-page-1/#comment-844 Ephraim Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:08:20 +0000 http://spirituallife.freedomblogging.com/2008/04/04/jewish-women-having-tougher-time-finding-marrying-jewish-men/#comment-844 I think a man needs to address his own Jewishness if he wants a jewish girl and Yes, marriage WILL come up more in jewish dating I think which creates tension for both, since afteral both man and women have CHOSEN to date their jewish counterparts with the intent on entertaining the possibility. In the Orthodox world of course there are MANY denominations and ways of dealing with dating but the consensus is it IS for marriage and family, the side effect is there are sometimes gatekeepers and third parties involved to ensure two people are right for each other as opposed to letting two adults determine for themselves on their own. I suppose on my opinion this works well for the yeshivah segment but it does make it difficult for older more mature people who find themselves single for any number of reasons to find a mate to a point where you have people who are involuntarily celibate for YEARS as a result of all of the accepted dating protocols and the ongoing separating of men/women in social gatherings that are not prayer services. It’s as if some imaginary power wants to PREVENT men and women for ever meeting. I know Orthodox jews who have lead secret double lives because of the excessively strict standards the community places on them. Suddenly ending up in the arms of a shiksah seems like the only escape, especially when making sacrifices and being observant and praying to g-d just doesn’t seem to be enough. It’s the image that matters. IF I was not happily married now to a great jewish woman I suppose I would still be trying to marry one though because I can’t imagine what I would do about explaining to the kids why daddy has a menorah and mommy has a tree, rationalize all you want but it’s a f—ed up message for the kids unless you want to be some atheist or Buddhist as that is a popular option I suppose . I think a man needs to address his own Jewishness if he wants a jewish girl and Yes, marriage WILL come up more in jewish dating I think which creates tension for both, since afteral both man and women have CHOSEN to date their jewish counterparts with the intent on entertaining the possibility.
In the Orthodox world of course there are MANY denominations and ways of dealing with dating but the consensus is it IS for marriage and family, the side effect is there are sometimes gatekeepers and third parties involved to ensure two people are right for each other as opposed to letting two adults determine for themselves on their own. I suppose on my opinion this works well for the yeshivah segment but it does make it difficult for older more mature people who find themselves single for any number of reasons to find a mate to a point where you have people who are involuntarily celibate for YEARS as a result of all of the accepted dating protocols and the ongoing separating of men/women in social gatherings that are not prayer services.
It’s as if some imaginary power wants to PREVENT men and women for ever meeting. I know Orthodox jews who have lead secret double lives because of the excessively strict standards the community places on them. Suddenly ending up in the arms of a shiksah seems like the only escape, especially when making sacrifices and being observant and praying to g-d just doesn’t seem to be enough. It’s the image that matters. IF I was not happily married now to a great jewish woman I suppose I would still be trying to marry one though because I can’t imagine what I would do about explaining to the kids why daddy has a menorah and mommy has a tree, rationalize all you want but it’s a f—ed up message for the kids unless you want to be some atheist or Buddhist as that is a popular option I suppose .

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